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El Camino Santiago

Postby Sil » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:08 am

I LOVED your article "10 reasons why el camino sucks" even though I am a Camino addict!!
There has been a dearth of negative articles on the camino - which has made me think that the majority of people who do not end up on cloud nine by the time they reach Santiago either feel that they've missed something and are, therefor, somehow lacking in spirituality, or they just keep quiet rather than go against the euphoric flow!

You asked a couple of questions and quoted a few stats that need a comment.

Only about 1% of El Camino is a narrow dirt trail

The Camino Norte from Hendaye or Irun is one of the less populated routes that enlisits the most gripes about road walking. You asked a local why alternate paths haven't been created to avoid walking on roads. I would guess that its because a very small percentage of the total number of pilgrims who walk a camino, take the northern routes. (They are not historical routes, do not attract the same investment, and therefor do not have the same infrastructure as the camino frances - which is the Jacobean pilgrimage route).
The full stats for 2009 are not available yet but of the 110 236 pilgrims who earned the Compostela between Jan and August 2009, only 2,341 walked the Norte. Most of the funding for rehabilitation of paths has gone into the more ppulated paths and if John Breierly's camino Frances guide is to be believed, of the 749km from Roncesvalles to Santiago, 505 km consist of dirt paths/tracks, 202.6km on quiet asphalt/tar roads (mostly through small villages) and 90.6km on main roads in and out of cities and towns. A completely different scenario to the Camino Norte.

Where does the Camino Frances start?
Modern guide books usually have stage 1 in St Jean-Pied-Port but in the middle ages pilgrims started from their homes and even Walter Starkie claimed that the Camino Frances started in Paris - a 1800km pilgrimage. I walked the Paris to Spain route in 2004 - a Holy Year - and did not see even ONE other walking pilgrim (just 3 cyclists with Santiagoishells on their paniers) until we reached Ostabat in the south.

Beware of the bitch at the end of the world :D Her logic was funny, especially since she might be able to smell that I hadn't taken a shower in a couple of days. She might have noticed my disheveled clothes that I've been had for the past 18 months of travel.

Gees!! I hope that wasn't me! :tmi: Hospitlaeros are trained not to judge pilgrims by their smell, or the state of their clothing (or soles of their shoes) but by the number of sellos in their credentials. You might have walked 50 000kms to Santiago and then hitched a lift to the end of the world (as many do) the only way hospitaleros can tell the walking pilgrims form the transport pilgrims is by those little little sellos!. There are hundreds of vagrants, of all nationalities, trolling the camino trails in search of free bed and lodging. I too would have been suspicious if I had opened a credential at 3pm to find no stamps between Santiago and Finisterre. (I used to do ultra-mrathons but was a very middle of the road runner and could never do the Comrades marathon, 90km, in under 11 hours.)
At Corcubion - just up the road from Fistera - we had frequent visits by 'professional pilgrims' and my policy was - wait until 7pm, if no more pilgrims come and there is a spare bed, it is yours.

The Federation of Friends of the Camino is a hodge-podge of regional, municipal, church and volunteer groups, held together by spit and sello tape with a few do-gooders and a few movers-and-shakers. When pilgrims whinge and say 'why don't they do this or that.." I wonder who they are referring to?
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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby FrancisTapon » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:02 pm

Thanks for your detailed response and useful info related to my article about El Camino Santiago.

FYI, I didn't hike El Camino del Norte. I was 50% on El Camino Frances and 50% thru Asturias on a wacky route of my own. While on El Frances, I estimate that 1% was real trail (1 meter wide). I asked other hikers who had stayed on El Frances the whole time and they agreed it was less than 5%. Frankly, I think 1% is generous. It's probably less than 1% that is actual trail.

I agree with you about the Bitch at the End of the World. I understand her position, I just felt like bitching about it. :lol:

And yes, given that I don't keep quiet, I certainly lack in spirituality! :angel:

Congrats on walking El Camino multiple times! You rock! :rock:
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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby FrancisTapon » Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:09 am

Hi Francis,

Came across your blog whilst planning my own route across Spain and it's been hugely helpful. I want to walk coast to coast across Spain, but from the W to the E, utilising the caminos and then the GR11 through the Pyrenees. Thankfully coming across your honest assessment of the Camino Frances has convinced me to change my original route! So the camino del norte and Picos mashup is in, camino frances is out.

I'm a landscape photographer so am planning to photograph the landscapes, coast to coast across Spain. As it's a distance of about 1,100 miles, I'll allow myself approximately 2.5 months.

Well, although I'm trying to go lightweight (taking a GoLite Pinnacle rucsac and Shangri-La 1 shelter) the camera gear means this isn't exactly an ultralight hike!

Quick question: how feasible is it to wild camp along the camino del norte? (am not averse to roughing it, sleeping in a bivvy bag in a field sort of thing...)


Quick answer: Yes, very feasible.

Longer answer: Here is some more advice in case if can you have to camp near civilization.

I don't have experience the Camino Del Norte, since I did a bizarre variant though the mts of Asturias. As I mentioned in my recommendations, be prepared for even more road-walking than on the Frances. This is based just on what people told me. I didn't do it. I had minimal road walks in the mts, but it was much rougher than what you may find on El Norte. Still, you can't go wrong. Any Camino route you do will be pleasant and even amazing at times. Any Camino route just doesn't compare to the beauty of the Pyrenees.

If you have time, make a detour into Los Picos de Europa. Definitely the highlight of the area.

Enjoy!
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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby FrancisTapon » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:08 am

On a website dedicated to El Camino Santiago, my article stirred a vigorous discussion, which included a few personal jabs at me. :lol:

Feel free to read that website's discussion. You'll find my reply to their comments there too. ;)

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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby FrancisTapon » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:51 pm

Hi Francis !

I am a Hungarian over 40. I was planning walking through el Camino, but reading your article about it and other sources I share the reservations that el Camino „sucks”.

I decided to take a different journey in Spain – I already have my ticket to Barcelona for next Saturday 14/04/2012. The crowd, lots of people, walking by busy roads etc. disturbs me.

I found an international road GR7 that you probably know of.

I am really into photography. I look for a way that can be reached from Barcleona (bus train, local flight) with not to high mountains some villages/ towns on the road.

I am not really fit physically since I had spent nine months at a rehab centre with my sedatives/sleeping pills addiction. I got rid of these, but I still physically week as I haven't moved much. No I am "clean" and this journey would be a kind of post rehabilitation. I think If I start with a low space I can get stronger during the journey. I've got experience with hiking, I hiked a lot in Transylvania, Check Republic, Switzerland.

I plan to spend two months in Spain. So my ultimate question would be if you could give me a hint, an Internet link two prepare for GR7.

I count on your experience and I would appreciate any advise from you whatever short it is.


Zoltan / Hungary


Zoltan, unfortunately I don't know anything about the GR7. I haven't hiked it. It looks like it goes over some pretty good mountains in Spain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GR_7_(Spain)

However, I still think the GR11 would be better. The GR7 probably is easier and has better access to civilization, but is not as crowded as El Camino Santiago.

Good luck and tell me what you decide.
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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby FrancisTapon » Tue May 01, 2012 1:37 pm

Hello Francis,

Loved the videos and everything about your website.

I wanted to ask your opinion about my experience walking El Camino earlier this year. I began walking in late March and I wore Hi-Tec hiking boots with normal socks. After only a couple of days I developed pretty bad blisters which became infected. After only a week or so I had to quit El Camino. In retrospect it was silly of me to embark on such a long walk without adequate training and preparation . I want to try go back later this year and complete El Camino and in future I want to tackle greater hikes such as the AT. Could you give some advise on what you do to prevent yourself from developing blisters as well as how you treat blisters. What kind of footwear do you use to minimize blisters? Also how do you deal with chafing when hiking?

Thank You Francis,
I would greatly appreciate any advice you could give me
Chris Martin


Chris, I'm sorry to hear that you had to abort El Camino! But I salute your persistence!

I see two problems with your initial strategy:

1. It sounds like you wore boots. Assuming you are carrying a light pack (and there's no reason you shouldn't be carrying a sub-10kg pack on El Camino), then you ought to try wearing trail running shoes instead of boots. They're lighter, more comfortable, and more breathable. I avoid Gore-Tex in the shoes because I prefer having ventilation.

2. You wore "normal socks." That sounds like cotton. A big no-no. Make sure you wear synthetic socks that wick away your sweat.

Lastly, be sure to read this thread about how to take care of your feet while hiking.
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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby Switt_Ers » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:21 am

Hi Francis,

I am going to start walking the Camino de Santiago (Camino Frances) on 4 July 2012. After reading through a few negative reports, however, I would like to leave open the possibility of changing course and instead hiking the Pyrenees. So if I prepare for both eventualities, what equipment/kit would you recommend for both of these ventures, please?

I would like to buy a pair of hiking boots (non-goretex) like the Meindl Borneo Pro. This is partly because I've always wanted a pair of sturdy leather hiking boots that will see me through many different hikes over a period of years rather than months. Also, last time I hiked in Patagonia, along the Torres del Paine range on the Chilean side, my pair of Merrell trail shoes didn't last me very long and in fact the soles came off about one month later. Finally, if I go ahead and buy a pair of Meindl Borneo Pro's this week, there is the issue of how long it will take to break them in. It could be that I will have to leave them behind for this trip and go with a pair of normal off-road running shoes.

I would like to sleep outside as much as possible along the Camino Frances or if hiking along the Pyrenees. As I'm only carrying a 35l Lowe Alpine Airzone backpack, I'm very conscious about space for all my items and the need to be as light as possible. Do I need a mat? Would that help keep me dry while sleeping? Do I need a sleeping bag or would a sleeping bag liner suffice outside in July? What about a tarp? Is that essential? My backpack isn't really set up to carry a mat on its outside so if I do need one, I will have improvise in order to attach it to the back.

Also, what about a hat? I am comfortable wearing caps, but because it'll be very sunny and hot, I wonder whether I should get a broad brimmed sun/rain hat? Are these kinds of hats more likely to come off in windy weather?

Finally, what about a hydration pack? Along the Camino, it looks like I won't need one. But if I go hiking along the Pyrenees, how much water will I need to carry? Will 2 litres suffice?

I have asked a lot of questions. I know there isn't necessarily a straight answer as each person has different preferences and needs. Still, I would appreciate your feedback based on your high level of experience - certainly, relative to mine!

I am reading your first book and am almost finished. Although I wasn't looking for a self-help book, I find it very engaging and with some good advice. I particularly enjoyed your chapter on diet and health, and the earlier one about finances. Finally, I did post a comment on the 'El Camino Sucks' article on your website about a week ago... it hasn't been published? Was there a problem with its content?

Oh and one last thing, I have always wanted to go to Africa and the Antarctica - the only two major land masses I haven't travelled to. So, like I said in my as yet unpublished post on your article, it may be that I will meet you on one of those future trips.

Thank you!
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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby Switt_Ers » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:29 am

One last thing, I wear prescription glasses as well. Are sunglasses an essential item or a question of preference, please? Is it preferable to get a pair of prescription sunglasses? Do you have a pair of glasses with the tinting function?

I wear contact lenses as well for sports etc. This year, I would prefer to wear glasses for hiking/walking the Camino but then this leaves the question of sunglasses. Prescription or non-prescription?

Once more, any advice/tips you can offer me would be much appreciated.

Thanks!
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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby FrancisTapon » Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:11 pm

Sorry for the slow reply. You're starting to hike today! Most shoes last about 800km. Boots last twice as long. You only need about 10km to break in your boots, but some people need more.

Yes, you need a sleeping pad.

A sleeping bag liner should be enough in July. But if you traverse the Pyrenees, you'll need a sleeping bag.

A tarp is not essential because when it's raining you can stay in alberge (hut).

A sunhat is good, but an umbrella is better.

Two liters of water is enough. Just drink as much as you can when it's available. Don't wait until you're thirsty to drink.

I wear prescription glasses that automatically get dark (tinted) when there's sun. It's ideal. I don't like contact lenses for long distances because I prefer having a mirror and clean hands when I put them on, and that's sometimes hard to find at the end of a day. ;)

Sorry for the slow response. I have been traveling. Buen Camino!
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Re: El Camino Santiago

Postby FrancisTapon » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:39 am

I came across your very interesting and informative website when doing a bit of research on the Camino de Santiago. I'm hoping you can offer some suggestions or provide a bit of insight. Here's the situation:
A friend of mine (who lives in Rome) and I (from Orcas Island, WA) are planning to do a walking/hiking trip in Spain this September for a couple of weeks. We've decided to focus on northern Spain, and we've decided not to camp so we won't be carrying gear such as a tent, sleeping bag, cook stove and pots. My preference is to hike in the Pyrenees, but my friend is leaning toward walking a portion of the Camino de Santiago (which I'm not keen to do for all the reasons you mention in your website). In order for each us to get what we want out of this trip, I'm thinking the best way is to spend one week hiking in the Pyreenes and one week walking the Camino (preferably a scenic stretch).

For the Pyrenees, I'm wondering if you could suggest 1) an area where it would be possible to hike from scenic village-to-village for several days, or 2) one place/village that would serve as a nice base from which we could do a number of longish day hikes (I've considered the Torlo area but wonder if it isn't too touristy?).

For the Camino, my friend has suggested the stretch between Saint Jean Pied-a-port to Burgos. To me, it doesn't look terribly interesting, so I'm hoping you can recommend what you think is the most scenic/interesting week-long stretch of that walk.

A lot to ask, I realize, but I will very much appreciate any insights or suggestions that you have.

All the best.

Kim


Kim:

1. His suggestion isn't bad, since St. Jean Pied-du-Port (France) is near the base of the Pyrenees and between that and Roncesvalles (Spain) you'll be traversing the scenic Pyrenees. It's not the most scenic part of the Pyrenees, but for mountain lovers like you it's better than most of El Camino Frances, since you'll be in the mountains. For most pilgrims, this is a MAJOR hurdle. For you, it won't be that big of a deal.

After Roncesvalles, and especially after Pamplona (Spain), you'll find the scenery getting flatter and flatter (and less inspiring). By the time you get to Burgos, you'll want to do what I did (go to Los Picos de Europa).

So I'd suggest either stopping in Pamplona (it is a great town that has lots of transport options), which will save you from the agony of walking to Burgos.

Here's perhaps a better route: go over Porto Somport. This takes you over a higher part of the Pyrenees, and was the original high point on El Camino. So you'll be a bit more remote and you'll still find hostels along the way.

Finally, here's my best suggestion yet for a compromise. Start at the bottom of the Pyrenees, near Porto Somport. Hike up to Porto Somport. Then traverse the Pyrenees to the west and drop down to Roncesvalles. It's relatively easy to do. The only challenge is that I'm not sure if you will have enough huts along the way. You probably will, but you may have to drop down from the trail along the way to reach them.

2. Los Picos de Europa have some great villages that allow you to do all sorts of day hikes.

You can also pick places near Aneto (tallest mountain in the Pyrenees) or El Monte Perdido. Lots of day hikes everywhere.

Have fun and tell me what you decide!
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